Cedrus Atlantica & the wiring of secondary/tertiary branches

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Cedrus Atlantica & the wiring of secondary/tertiary branches

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Hi all, I have a couple of Cedars which have the main branching wired out and set into place. I wondering how to style and shape the secondary/tertiary branches. Should they also be wired down on an angle :?: Should I be creating pads similar to that of styling Junipers :?:

I can up load some pics later this afternoon if need be :lost:
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Do normal trees of this variety have their branches on this downward angle?

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Im new to working with Cedars Mick, thats why Im asking for help.
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:bump: :bump:
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Re: Cedrus Atlantica & the wiring of secondary/tertiary branches

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Hi Sidhar,

If it looks like it needs it then do it. If it suits the style then do so.

Once the tree has maTured you can probably just trim for compactness.

A pic would help.

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Re: Cedrus Atlantica & the wiring of secondary/tertiary branches

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I have heard that the way to go with Junipers and I'm guessing the same could very well apply to Cedars is that the primary and secondary branches create the profile when viewed from the top, and that the tertiary branches are used to create the profile from the side. If you want your branch structure visible (which is a styling choice up to you entirely), that means primaries down, secondaries slightly upwards from there and tertiaries between 45 degrees and straight up making the pads. Don't know if that makes any sense, and having said it, I think it is very much a function of the style you are trying to achieve.
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Re: Cedrus Atlantica & the wiring of secondary/tertiary branches

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I have heard that the way to go with Junipers and I'm guessing the same could very well apply to Cedars is that the primary and secondary branches create the profile when viewed from the top, and that the tertiary branches are used to create the profile from the side. If you want your branch structure visible (which is a styling choice up to you entirely), that means primaries down, secondaries slightly upwards from there and tertiaries between 45 degrees and straight up making the pads. Don't know if that makes any sense, and having said it, I think it is very much a function of the style you are trying to achieve.
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Thanks Andrew, great advice, that makes perfect sense. :tu:
“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be like water, my friend.”

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