Chinese Elm?

[Violent T7]

I recently dug this out of my backyard and planted it into a pot. I was worried that I had stressed it too much and had killed it, it dropped all but 3 of it's leaves. But just yesterday it put out new shoots and I was so relieved. Is it a chinese elm? can you tell yet? I was told it was an elm. Also, any suggestions on how to style it? How do you think she's doing?

[Jamie]

cant tell if it is an elm without seeing the leaves, if it is you shouldnt have a prob. they are tough as.

i wouldnt even think bout styling until next year.

jamie

[Violent T7]

I can provide a before photo of the leaves? before they dropped, that is. some looks like that of an elm, and others look far too... thin and large.

I just realised after having looked at the picture that it is actually a pathetic photo. I should have taken more care sorry about that. it may still be helpful, though.

wow and thank you so much for that amazingly quick reply!

[Grant Bowie]

Looks like a Celtis, but still difficult to tell.

[anttal63]

On the money grant even the trunk!

[shibui]

Hard to tell without leaves. With those new shoots it looks promising for recovery. Whatever it is it will still make a good practice tree.
Lets see it when it has leaves.

New photo showing leaves - Still hard to be certain but does not really look like chinese elm to me. Leaves look too thin and shiny. While some chinese elms have smooth bark this bark looks just a bit too smooth.

[Violent T7]

Thanks for your help guys, when it has progressed more I will definitely post more photos



Here is another picture of the new shoots up close if that helps. i'm determined to find out what my tree is

[Jamie]

Looks like a Celtis, but still difficult to tell.

spot on there i reckon.

if it is which i beleive so this thing will bounce back and grow like crazy, heres one i collected on 30 dec last year. pic is about a week or so old.

Celtis broom 28 feb.jpg

im not sure but your might possibly be sinesis or chinesis.

jamie

[Violent T7]

Spot on! thank you everybody. it's a celtis! >_> didn't think of it until about now-- i took a look at the bigger tree it came from. spent 10 minutes looking for my flashlight to do so, but it was worth it. is there a way to reduce the leaf size? (obviously i won't be doing so now. but maybe in a few years) and do they take well to root-over-rock form? I would love to try it. and i have plenty of access to these little buggers, both my next door neighbour and i have one in our yards, they pop up everywhere.

[Jamie]

excellent in leaf reduction, down to 5mm or so all up and great for root over rock and super fast growers!

[Violent T7]

I think soon I will pull up another Celtis, it's trunk isn't as big as the one i pulled up a while ago (the one i was originally talking about in this thread) -- i will try root-over-rock with it. but i've never done this before, i'd love suggestions... whether they be to leave it in the ground, or if it simply will not suit root-over-rock. i'm confident though!

sorry about how messy the pictures are, and they're terrible photos. unfortunately it's hard to actually take photos of it from where it is planted, i tried my best though.

[Jamie]

root over rock is easy to do with them, collected tree might be a little harder for it as they generally get great spreading nebari naturally.

to do root of rick you want to bare root, drape the roots over the rock and place in crevices etc. and then collect at the bottom of the rock, i tied all the roots under the rock with graft tape, then plant out for a few years while the tree clasps to the rock

there is a few threads on it here, i would just search it mate i am sure there is a how to somewhere

[Violent T7]

here is the dot points i took from a post by edward scissorhand from the post:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3173&hilit=celtis+ ... k&start=15

1. Large styrene box: cut holes in bottom (as many as you can without breaking it) – cover each with mesh
2. Add a layer of 3-7mm grit (about 50mm deep)
3. Over grit spread pelletised chook poo (400mm)
4. Add blood and bone fertiliser (200mm)
5. Add pelletised slow release fertiliser (200mm)
6. MIX CONTENTS TOGETHER (avoiding mixing in the grit)
7. Place a flat object over the mixture leaving a gap for the roots to get to the fertilizer (lino, etc)
8. Thin layer of grit over lino (PLACE ROCK WITH TREE ATTACHED ON TOP)-leaving 50mm to box top
9. Fill rest of box with dynamic lifter (pelletised chook poo) WATER WELL/EXTRA
10. Place tree in FULL SUN- water as often as necessary
11. Refill box with chook poo weekly
12. Prune once-twice yearly.

Items needed to do this:
• Styrene box
• Mesh
• Grit
• Dynamic lifter (pelletised chook poo)
• Pelletised slow release fertiliser
• Blood and bone fertiliser
• Lino

somebody suggested that it could be used with a celtis-- good idea? does that sound suitable? is it a good method? it looks like it is