The collecting debate

MattA · Post by **MattA** » February 28th, 2013, 11:36 am

When anyone questions why I collect or tells me I shouldn't this is where I will send them. I don't advocate indiscriminate collecting from the wild but on the outskirts of almost every city & town this is going on & I be damned if I am not going to try & keep atleast one tree alive from such devastation.

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Pup · Post by **Pup** » February 28th, 2013, 11:42 am

We in Perth WA are an ever expanding city, so infrastructure is being built.
The amount of Developmental devastation is very high.
So the younger generation in and around Perth, have a great opportunity to do the right thing and save some.

I have all I need so I do not do it any more, but I applaud all who do.

Cheers Pup

Ps Craig is still doing it.

Bretts · Post by **Bretts** » February 28th, 2013, 11:53 am

I better get over and score a few Pup

I love the shopping centre sign Matt, I am suprised that poeple just let it happen

We need a few more PPA like me about I reckon

Jason · Post by **Jason** » February 28th, 2013, 12:22 pm

Pup wrote:We in Perth WA are an ever expanding city, so infrastructure is being built.
The amount of Developmental devastation is very high.
So the younger generation in and around Perth, have a great opportunity to do the right thing and save some.

I have all I need so I do not do it any more, but I applaud all who do.

Cheers Pup

Ps Craig is still doing it.

I'm taking up the cause too! I'm just waiting until I've learnt a bit more before I start digging

I want to know I can keep it alive first lol

Its terrible out my area, there is so much native beauty around that is progressivly being torn down and replaced with housing developments or shopping malls.

I was actually only contemplating what peoples thoughts were on this the other day, I mean is it really that bad if you are 'rescuing' the plant? Most of these developments have no care at all for what they are destroying (and more often then not, no care if anyone wants to rescue them)

lackhand · Post by **lackhand** » February 28th, 2013, 2:18 pm

I'm in favor of collecting in these circumstances. Not that I'm against collecting generally as long as people are responsible, but saving trees from death by bulldozer or other implements of "progress" is damn near heroic.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » February 28th, 2013, 5:07 pm

Does anyone know how you'd come about development plans for an area? I've been searching the shire sites in hopes of finding some form of development map... but i'm not finding squat. Does anyone know?

Post by **kcpoole** » February 28th, 2013, 6:53 pm

Councils usually post development applications jm the local papers here
You have to search for them

MattA · Post by **MattA** » March 1st, 2013, 8:32 am

DENAz wrote:Does anyone know how you'd come about development plans for an area? I've been searching the shire sites in hopes of finding some form of development map... but i'm not finding squat. Does anyone know?

Back in the 90's most councils worked on a 2020 project to outline future areas to develop, protect & those that needed infrustructure etc etc My local one seems to have disappaered off the council website but contacting your council's development department should get the info you want.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » March 1st, 2013, 10:49 am

MattA wrote:
DENAz wrote:Does anyone know how you'd come about development plans for an area? I've been searching the shire sites in hopes of finding some form of development map... but i'm not finding squat. Does anyone know?
Back in the 90's most councils worked on a 2020 project to outline future areas to develop, protect & those that needed infrustructure etc etc My local one seems to have disappaered off the council website but contacting your council's development department should get the info you want.

Awesome, I might give them a call and have see what they have. I've been browsing throught the plans for the shire on their website, however its all quite confusing, and full of legal jargon that gives me a headache.

When it comes to a residential block (empty block), I'm assuming you would just seek permission from the real estate agent? I see so many blocks get levelled before they build, and they just bulldoze everything before they start

so sad to see, as a lot of those blocks are filled with native trees

MattA · Post by **MattA** » March 1st, 2013, 11:42 am

Here's a couple of links for you DENaz, just start points & trust me the research time is hours but should find it here or links to links that will

http://www.cityofperth.wa.gov.au/web/Co ... d-Studies/
http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/718.asp

Jason · Post by **Jason** » March 1st, 2013, 11:53 am

MattA wrote:Here's a couple of links for you DENaz, just start points & trust me the research time is hours but should find it here or links to links that will
http://www.cityofperth.wa.gov.au/web/Co ... d-Studies/
http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/718.asp

Really appreciate that mate

Research time isn't a problem, I have a lot of spare time at work

Edit: Those links were very helpful! Found a lot of information on the future developments around my area. Also found out what a lot of the tree's scattered around the city centre are called (and what they are planning on replacing them with)

Our local council doesn't seem to know too much about natives, planting full sun plants in nearly full shade and so on

Have been eyeing off some Captain Cook Calli's for a while now that look like they are on their way out, but have some really nice trunk movement (as most of them are fallen on by local drunks

). If only they weren't on a main road

Andrew Legg · Post by **Andrew Legg** » March 1st, 2013, 6:25 pm

If it's gonna be dozed, there's simply no debate mate.

Case Closed!

Pup · Post by **Pup** » March 1st, 2013, 6:45 pm

DENAz wrote:
MattA wrote:Here's a couple of links for you DENaz, just start points & trust me the research time is hours but should find it here or links to links that will
http://www.cityofperth.wa.gov.au/web/Co ... d-Studies/
http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/718.asp
Really appreciate that mate

Research time isn't a problem, I have a lot of spare time at work

Edit: Those links were very helpful! Found a lot of information on the future developments around my area. Also found out what a lot of the tree's scattered around the city centre are called (and what they are planning on replacing them with)

Our local council doesn't seem to know too much about natives, planting full sun plants in nearly full shade and so on Have been eyeing off some Captain Cook Calli's for a while now that look like they are on their way out, but have some really nice trunk movement (as most of them are fallen on by local drunks ). If only they weren't on a main road

A high Viz shirt and a shovel, no one will know you from a real council worker.
Oh they will you will be working

MattA · Post by **MattA** » March 1st, 2013, 8:12 pm

Andrew Legg wrote:If it's gonna be dozed, there's simply no debate mate.

Case Closed!

The most stupid part of the whole system is that until the dozers have done the deed, an individual can be fined for removing native plants from the locale!!!

Pup · Post by **Pup** » March 1st, 2013, 8:56 pm

MattA wrote:
Andrew Legg wrote:If it's gonna be dozed, there's simply no debate mate.

Case Closed!
The most stupid part of the whole system is that until the dozers have done the deed, an individual can be fined for removing native plants from the locale!!!

That is why I went to the Conservation and Land Management (CALM) and put a case of Conservation, and got a Scientific Licence to dig Native Plants for Bonsai.

For just $10-00 per year, must admit each year it got more restrictive. Now I do not bother. As I have enough, trees trying to sell the bigger ones.

It is however worth a try.
Cheers Pup

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