Pine ID

[squizzy]

Hi all,

This is a pine a came across that seems to have characteristics that set it aside from other pines I know so I thought I would post it up here for some ideas on its identity.

If I could explalain what it looks like it resembles the growth of a casuarina in that it is quite whispy lanky growth. The bark has a redish tinge to it and the new shoots are red too. I dont want to jump to conclusions but could it be a red pine of some kind? from what I can tell it seems to be a two needle pine.

Check the following pictures.

Cheers

Squizz

IPOD210412 010.jpg

IPOD210412 011.jpg

IPOD210412 012.jpg

IPOD210412 013.jpg

IPOD210412 016.jpg

IPOD210412 017.jpg

[squizzy]

Just realized in the first photo the same tree is on the far left and the far right

[Brian]

Pinus Pinasta ( maritime pine )

[squizzy]

any reason why brian?

I know nothing about maritime pine

[Brian]

I had a really old one as a bonsai trainer for 25 years. I recognized the long needles. they were common in Australia and grown for timber for awhile but Radiata pine was more vigorous so they are now the pine of choice for forestry logging.
Bye the way, its not really that flash a variety for bonsai as the needles are too long and it doesn't back bud.

[Luke308]

Sorry, but I dont think it is a maritime pine. I have a maritime in the backyard which can be seen here on this thread viewtopic.php?f=131&t=9543&hilit=crawford&start=15 Maritime pines have quite thick needles unlike radiatas. European red pines were also common for plantation trees here in Australia. Maybe Alpine can help further?

[alpineart]

Hi Squizzy , this looks very muck like a Pinus Resinosa European Red Pine going on the needle and red dish brown shoot , however the cones on a ERP are as big as the Pinus nigra Autriaca which is around 50mm long, maxamim of 60mm .One way to test it is bend the fine branches , Resinosa snap very easily , but the 100mm cone lets it down .They would have to be the most brittle pines i know of . Strong winds can fell an entire plantation with the domino effect as happened up here .

100_9959.jpg

This is typical of the Maratima bark , however this specimen is 90 years old . The bark is greyish when young and as the plates fall off the red is exposed and the black becomes raised as in the pic . Resinosa's shed their lower branches within a very short period and only grow a continual canopy . The bark on a Resinosa is all red with no raised black vein and the plates are very thin , if you prise a plate off and the black section becomes raised it a Maratime . However there is about 6 pines that have the similar bark attributes as the Maratime and only close scrutiny can the be deciphered . The Maratime pine used fro ship building as in the Masts , because it shed it lower branches so it never produced knots . Hope this helps , it may confuse the issue .

100_9952.jpg

100_9958.jpg

100_9968.jpg

Cheers Alpineart

[Brian]

Sorry, but I dont think it is a maritime pine. I have a maritime in the backyard which can be seen here on this thread viewtopic.php?f=131&t=9543&hilit=crawford&start=15 Maritime pines have quite thick needles unlike radiatas. European red pines were also common for plantation trees here in Australia. Maybe Alpine can help further?

You are talking rubbish, that tree you posted is not the Maritime pine. Looks like a Radiata to me. Please think before commenting.

[Luke308]

Sorry, but I dont think it is a maritime pine. I have a maritime in the backyard which can be seen here on this thread viewtopic.php?f=131&t=9543&hilit=crawford&start=15 Maritime pines have quite thick needles unlike radiatas. European red pines were also common for plantation trees here in Australia. Maybe Alpine can help further?

You are talking rubbish, that tree you posted is not the Maritime pine. Looks like a Radiata to me. Please think before commenting.

No need to get on your high horse, radiatas are a 3 needle pine, whereas the maritime pine is a 2 needle pine. There is a radiata in that post, however there is also a maritime pine. The first 3 pics on the 2nd page of that link are the maritime pine. These were collected from different areas of Mount Crawford forest which is a plantation forest. The ranger gave us maps and told us which sections had which trees. Have a look at how thick the needles are in these pics https://luirig.altervista.org/flora/taxa ... s+pinaster I can post more pics if you like??

[Brian]

Sorry, I should not post after the whiskey starts to kick in.

[squizzy]

Thanks guys

Obviously a few Possibilities.

Brian it's the whiskey. You need to stick to rum. You don't hear of people getting fired up over rum do you.

Squizz

[alpineart]

No need to get on your high horse, radiatas are a 3 needle pine, whereas the maritime pine is a 2 needle pine.

Hi Luke308 , there is a Radiata var' Binata - Guadalupe Pine - Guadalupe Islands that is a 2 needle Radiata pine , Another Radiata ssp Cedrosensi -Cedros Islands and is also a 2 needle Radiata . Quite a lot of so called 3 needle radiata's can and do have 2 -3 -4 -5 Needles on the same tree , depending on the climate , seasonal changes from the normal , soils and fertilizers used .

I have spent a couple of decades researching pines and believe me i can still not identify pines i have here , not for the lack of trying .The majority of pines now-a -days have hybridized with other types of pines so they cannot truly be identified as 1 particular species , no doubt one day there will be a JBP with blue needles or a JWP with green needles ?? its possible .

Cheers Alpineart

[Mick B]

Ok, How many needles are in a sheaf [bundle]?
Mick b

[alpineart]

Hi Mick B . The correct answer in none . Wheat is bundled into a "sheaf" , pine needles grow from a needle "sheath" and they range from 1 to 7 depending on the type of pine , possibly more now with all the hybridizing of different species . Squiizzy has stated this tree has 2 needles .

Cheers Alpineart

[squizzy]

Hi all,

I am going to head past this tree tomorrow again so I will grab what info I can. What other things would be handy to know??

Squizz