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Beano wrote:Is it seriously worth tat much as a pre bonsai if it lives?
Even as a bonsai it will struggle to get the sort of money they are talking in that thread but then Australia has a very different level of appreciation (or rather lack thereof) for collected stock, most not prepared to pay for the time & knowledge of someone who knows how to get something like that from ground to a trainable prebonsai stage, lets hope future generations coming into the art learn from the northern hemisphere....
kcpoole wrote: If you read all the posts, you will get that he has been advised ( and rightly so) to do nothing to it for 5 years or so.

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kcpoole wrote: If you read all the posts, you will get that he has been advised ( and rightly so) to do nothing to it for 5 years or so.

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Interesting comment ;) that, and one which I shall gladly reply to as others I am sure will learn from it.

In the Context of the original linked post, I totally agree with the above comment of mine, because the specimen collector by his own admission is a newbie, and has not a clue on how to treat the collected tree, (and one could argue, how to collect it), and then how to treat it now and provide it the best chance of recovery.
I (although still consider myself learning) have been growing and developing Bonsai for nearly 10 years, and have a fair grasp of how to get a collected Juniper to recover well. :fc:

The next point to add is that he lives in north Carolina ( USDA Zone 7/8) and is currently late summer there. The tree will not grow any at all this year and probably the next season as well. In that area of the US, he will only get in the next five years, a maximum of about 18 - 24 months good active growing weather.
In Sydney, I get active growth on Junipers for 12 months of every year. What will take him 5 years to do, we can in 2. Where you are in Newcastle, you should get the same or better results.

The last point is that I assume you are referring to this thread, viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12673 where I collected numerous old Junipers.
I remember a post from Matt questioning whether I should work on some of them earlier this year, but cannot find it now :lost:. My answer then was that as the trees had all powered on very well over the summer and had obviously recovered well. I decided to experiment on some of the lesser ones to see if they could stand some work. One of those experiments did not survive ( the smallest one), but the other 2 have done really well since, and not missed a beat. One has been repotted already and has great roots, and the other one ( my Comp tree here) viewtopic.php?f=148&t=14753&p=152353 , will be repotted soon to see what lies under the soil.

The larger and more spectacular specimens, are still in there respective recovery pots, and will be for at least another year or 2.

So yes M, ;) I do practice what I preach. :yes: but I am prepared to push the boundaries a little when I am confident :imo: of a positive result, and not before.

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Well he already elaborated that the tree was gong to get dumped, seems like there wasn't a lot of time to get it, probably did the best he could under the circumstances.

I find it interesting that there is so much financial discussion based on only 2 pictures.
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Hi Ken, interesting response, for my own microclimate I do not see growth 12mths of the year on any genus or species so you are very lucky indeed...
As to the old adage of waiting x amount of time before working any collected tree, it is a huge generalisation & not something I would ever advise anyone... let your trees tell you when they are ready, you felt yours where & they responded accordingly...
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mq1742 wrote:for my own microclimate I do not see growth 12mths of the year on any genus or species so you are very lucky indeed...
You need to get a fig. :tu: Mine pump out growth all winter.
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DustyRusty wrote:
mq1742 wrote:for my own microclimate I do not see growth 12mths of the year on any genus or species so you are very lucky indeed...
You need to get a fig. :tu: Mine pump out growth all winter.
MQ I agree, the trees will tell you what stage they are at. If unsure then leave them alone.

Hey Dusty, same to me. they have not stopped.

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DustyRusty wrote:
mq1742 wrote:for my own microclimate I do not see growth 12mths of the year on any genus or species so you are very lucky indeed...
You need to get a fig. :tu: Mine pump out growth all winter.
I have F. salicifolia, F. microcarpa 'Green Island' , F. macrophylla, F. obliqua/eugenioides, F. coronata, F. virens, F. rubiginosa, F. rubiginosa 'Little Ruby' & F. rubiginosa (Central Coast small leaf form)... all are currently dormant due to cold, the joys of a microclimate that also allows me to grow cherries & other cold needing trees...
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mq1742 wrote:
DustyRusty wrote:
mq1742 wrote:for my own microclimate I do not see growth 12mths of the year on any genus or species so you are very lucky indeed...
You need to get a fig. :tu: Mine pump out growth all winter.
I have F. salicifolia, F. microcarpa 'Green Island' , F. macrophylla, F. obliqua/eugenioides, F. coronata, F. virens, F. rubiginosa, F. rubiginosa 'Little Ruby' & F. rubiginosa (Central Coast small leaf form)... all are currently dormant due to cold, the joys of a microclimate that also allows me to grow cherries & other cold needing trees...

Wow! You sure have figs! You must be in a much colder part of NSW than me. Bring on summer!
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