Adding Jin that isn't part of the tree

[Emily Csato]

Ben looking at the amazing Japanese junipers with more jin than live tree.

Here's a good example of Mr Kimura's famous tree: http://aidobonsai.files.wordpress.com/2 ... 000015.jpg

Is all that Jin from the original tree, or was it added. Have any of you had any experience with such extreme jining?

Cheers

[Bonsai4ever]

From the look of that one, I would suggest that it is all original jin as you can see the live veins attached. However with Kimura, you would be forgiven if you got it wrong as he does some pretty extreme bonsai. Have you seen the one where he makes the apex the base and the base the new apex? Outside my pay grade....

I would suggest that jin can be added and have seen articles on this method but in general they are called Tanuki if the tree is attached to a large jinned host.

[Craig]

Ben looking at the amazing Japanese junipers with more jin than live tree.

Here's a good example of Mr Kimura's famous tree: http://aidobonsai.files.wordpress.com/2 ... 000015.jpg

Is all that Jin from the original tree, or was it added. Have any of you had any experience with such extreme jining?

Cheers

Hi Emily,Extra Jins can be added to a tree, here is 1 link for you,

http://bonsaijournal.com/black-pine-restyle.php

[Emily Csato]

From the look of that one, I would suggest that it is all original jin as you can see the live veins attached.

That's what I originally thought. But then that would have been a monstrous tree, so I thought maybe he stained those veins to make it look original.

Hi Emily,Extra Jins can be added to a tree, here is 1 link for you,

http://bonsaijournal.com/black-pine-restyle.php

Thanks Craig. Once I saw the link I remembered seeing it a while ago. It does help; I'm looking specifically for info on the huge, eccentric jins and if they're added or not. Haven't been able to find stuff myself. If I can add deadwood and make it look like original dieback from the tree I'll do it. I'm definitely not afraid to do it, just not prepared risking a tree if I don't know how.

[Emily Csato]

I took the word Tanuki and redid my searches, with much better results. I think that was the missing link, I was using the word Jin and of course nothing relevant came up.

Found this right away: http://www.bonsailearningcenter.com/IMA ... tanuki.pdf

It's interesting what the author says about Tanuki being fake bonsai, at least from the Japanese view. It's valid, but if you study the great Japanese masters, they employ tanuki to make some of their greatest creations. So what does that say?

[eliass]

if your not looking at performing a phoinix graft you can add jin I have tried this on a couple of trees, have a look at the below link

http://bonsaijournal.com/black-pine-restyle.php

[Emily Csato]

I'm definitely looking at creating a phoenix graft.

[alpineart]

Hi Emily , phoenix grafts are the most rewarding works i believe one can produce if they work out . If all the carving id done and dusted first then the attaching of the live plant is quite simple . Ihave done quite a few and would definately recommend the challenge to anyone . Good luck with it if you should take the plunge into this new arena .

Cheers Alpineart