Lone Pine

[Marc]

Hi all, my auntie several years ago got her hands on a lone pine bonsai, seeded directly from the lone pine in Gallipoli. My late uncle was in the ADF and was the president of a local RSL, he had many freinds and therefore my auntie got this as a gift when he passed.

I had looked after it a little over the years for her, but have not seen it for two years, here it is now. She is no good at looking after them, far too much water, no feed, etc etc. all horrible things to think about. Anyways, it now needs a repot and a trim and needle plucking. I do not know the species, does anyone out there?

I want to do something special for her as she is on a long European holiday, well deserved, and when she returns I want to show her something special. If anyone has seen some pics of the real lone pine I attached a pic too.

All comments and tips welcome please. No particular front is determined, however I tend to think pic 06.

[kcpoole]

I woiuld go with #6 too
Needs a nice tidy up and probablky a needle pluck or 2.

Very nice provenance for the tree Marc. You are lucky to have it

Ken

[Marc]

Thanks Ken.

Yeah, it's great to own a tree that has a personalmeaning...

[kcpoole]

The Botanical name is Alleppo Pine, and I do not know much about them but would REALLY Like to get one.

As tree that has so much meaning for me, I really have to try to lay my hands on one. If anyone knows where I can get a seedling ( Or seeds) then please let me know.

The National Arbortorium I believe has some but the do not sell to the public.

This a thread re on the Ant has one
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=572&p=4837&hilit=lone+pine#p4837

and some more info on them
They are not strictly Australian Bonsai, But as the Alleppo Pine is synonymous with the "Birth of the Nation" in Gallipolli then we should maybe consider them Honorary Natives?
https://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/notes_pine.asp

I believe Steven here had some seeds, Do you still have them? If not, do you know where can I get some?

Ken

[Steven]

G'day Ken,
PM me your address and I'll send you some.
Steven

[Marc]

Gents, I know through the RSL in Keilor East in Melb they had some seeds, this was a while ago. And I know some old timers are keen on the bonsai. Who knows, maybe another RSL might....

[aussiedamo]

i too have one of these but dont know what to do with it?? its in a 12'' pot but like i said dont know where to start.
my father inlaw does not want me to "turn it into a bonsai" because it to is seeded from the lone pine!

[Grant Bowie]

The Lone Pine is either Pinus Halipensis(The Alleppo Pine) or the Turkish Pine(Pinus Brutia or Pinus Halipensis var Brutia) and there is some discussion at the moment as to which is correct.

The Pinus Brutia was named a while ago from a stand in Italy that no longer exists apparently?

Pinus Halipensis is commercially propigated and often in stock in local nurseries.

The Local nursery here has both types but to me it looks like Halipensis is the one I am familiar with.

Grant

[Pup]

Pinus Pinea, the Italian stone pine is also very similar to the Halapensis. This one is sold readily at Nurseries, it is the one used in the production of pine nuts.
I am lead to believe.
Looking closer at the pictures it looks very much like the Pinea I have. With the adult foliage( the long needles among the juvenile ) and dead needles.

Cheers Pup

[alpineart]

Have to agree with Pup , Pinus pinea or Italian Stone Pine .Juvenile foliage is a light blueish colour and the adult needles are a dark green . They can be difficult to maintain , you can pluck the adult needles and maintain the juvenile growth continuously , back budding is quite easy if the tips are pinched . Cheers Alpine

[chrisatrocky]

The Gallipoli pine or Lone pine is actually a Turkish pine (Pinus brutia) which is thought by some to be a sub species of Pinus Halipensis.

chris

[gargar]

a couple o' leads maybe...

There is an great nursery in Lara, Roriama. roriamanursery.com.au. You may have seen Lyle on TV. he is quite young and well known for his intrest in rare species I have bought several trees from him that i cant find in books. He is starting to get conifer bonsai stock rare stuff mostly grafted nothin too great though. i'm sure i saw some there a while ago so you may want to check with them. Also i think they get their stuff from the conifer nursery in the dandenongs. if you are going thru definitely stop for a look at old big old black? pines and other great display trees not for sale.
I also remember seeing them for sale at ballarat ( John Rash maybe) ang bendigo too. so they are around ,maybe some of the older bonsai people worth askin. not all of them are on aus bonsai. I just get a feeling not many people have had a lot of luck with them as great bonsai, as i didnt(r.i.p. x2). That doesnt mean its not worh tryin though, especially if the tree is special to you.

[shibui]

The pine pictured is most likely P. halapensis which is the one grown in Aust as Lone pine. There are some similarities with other pines with blueish juvenile foliage and longer adult needles. Halapensis tends to retain juvenile foliage for longer than other species. It is also widely grown in drier areas as it is more drought tolerant than others. If you were looking for them I would try nurseries on the inland side of the NSW. Maybe Bretts could help. I'm pretty sure some pics he posted some time ago of street trees from his area were halapensis.
I have been told that the actual lone pine at Gallipoli is/was a P. brutia but the guys who picked up pinecones may have taken them from the ground somewhere in the area and the pine we grow here is not actually the same species but is P. halapensis??