New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!

[siddhar]

Hi all, I decided to repot this tree and do a little wiring, bud selection and needle removal. Sitting back after all of that, Im not entirely happy with the finished planting depth of the tree. I think I have planted it too high. What are your thoughts on the result? Should I re-pot at a lower depth tomorrow

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[siddhar]

bump

[Bretts]

I would't but I would keep it growing strong to help fuse the roots.

[Scott Roxburgh]

I have never repotted a JBP at this time of year.

Although I do think that it is still planted too high, I don't know how much root work you can do at this time of year, (Maybe Craig could chime in with some advice on this), I would assume not much?

I think that you should find someone in your area that knows pines and ask if you can work on this tree with them. There are some great pine bonsai in Melbourne, take this tree along to one of the club meetings.

[Bretts]

Hey Scott,
Grant repotts them around this time of year, although he seems to enjoy repotting them all year round, I am sure I have heard of others doing it in Autumn as well so it does seem like an acceptable time to repot them. But I do not as I am scared enough doing it in Spring
It is also Grants "cone" technique that I am thinking of with these roots. I think it would be much safer and just as effective to let the roots fuse instead of trying to untangle them or cut them off.

[siddhar]

I have never repotted a JBP at this time of year.

Hi Scott, I took the tree to a bonsai nursery that I frequent regularly to select the pot it is in now. He said it was okay to repot now as long as I didnt disturb the roots. So fingers crossed I havent jumped the autumn gun too early

[Scott Roxburgh]

I like what Grant has done with his pine's using the 'cone' technique, but I think that it takes a fair bit of time to get it looking mature. Also, IIRC Grant started with a much younger tree and grew it strongly, this tree won't get ever get that treatment.

I think it would be much better to untangle and work the roots every second/third year. If you replace 1/3 of the root ball in late winter, it'll be cleaned up in a few years.

[Bretts]

My understanding is that they will fuse (enough) over not too long a time if if the growth is good but I could be wrong

[Pup]

I have just re read this thread, I know a lot of growers that do all of the conifer re potting in Autumn. I am also one that does this, but our Autumn is much milder than a lot of Australia.

The other thing that has puzzled me from the start, is that Siddar you said the person you bought it from does not beleive in Trunk chops, and grows taper naturally.

Yet it is very apparent that this tree has a BIG trunk chop half the way up.

Just my Pup

[siddhar]

I have just re read this thread, I know a lot of growers that do all of the conifer re potting in Autumn. I am also one that does this, but our Autumn is much milder than a lot of Australia.

The other thing that has puzzled me from the start, is that Siddar you said the person you bought it from does not beleive in Trunk chops, and grows taper naturally.

Yet it is very apparent that this tree has a BIG trunk chop half the way up.

Just my Pup

It is very apparent Pup isnt it . Maybe I just got carried away with the romance of the place. Is it 20 years old That too could be argued. From what I saw around the place and from what the seller showed me, he was a very talented bonsai artist, who convinced me he wasn't talking any shari. What we all learn in time and with experienced eyes is "What to look for" this is what Bonsai people and nurseries alike dread in most customers. So yes Pup this tree has been trunk chopped and I haven't re-read my initial post yet, I don't think I said that this tree hadn't been chopped? Maybe I got caught up in the romance of the place? And maybe I was convinced that this tree had something special to offer? Thanks for the "Spot" Pup. Something that I spotted when the tree was home. Do you like the tree at-least Sounds like you think the tree resembles something you would wipe on a doormat

[Pup]

I have just re read this thread, I know a lot of growers that do all of the conifer re potting in Autumn. I am also one that does this, but our Autumn is much milder than a lot of Australia.

The other thing that has puzzled me from the start, is that Siddar you said the person you bought it from does not beleive in Trunk chops, and grows taper naturally.

Yet it is very apparent that this tree has a BIG trunk chop half the way up.

Just my Pup

It is very apparent Pup isnt it . Maybe I just got carried away with the romance of the place. Is it 20 years old That too could be argued. From what I saw around the place and from what the seller showed me, he was a very talented bonsai artist, who convinced me he wasn't talking any shari. What we all learn in time and with experienced eyes is "What to look for" this is what Bonsai people and nurseries alike dread in most customers. So yes Pup this tree has been trunk chopped and I haven't re-read my initial post yet, I don't think I said that this tree hadn't been chopped? Maybe I got caught up in the romance of the place? And maybe I was convinced that this tree had something special to offer? Thanks for the "Spot" Pup. Something that I spotted when the tree was home. Do you like the tree at-least Sounds like you think the tree resembles something you would wipe on a doormat

I am sorry if that is what you read in my post, it was not meant in any manner than to see what was written. I have no opinion on the pine at all other than to listen to what has been said.
Pup

[siddhar]

I am sorry if that is what you read in my post, it was not meant in any manner than to see what was written. I have no opinion on the pine at all other than to listen to what has been said.
Pup

No worries Pup, just didnt want you to think I was silly and didnt know the tree had been chopped And its pretty easy to misread what people write on here without any context behind the words.

Thanks for all the advice so far with this tree.

[Dario]

Hi siddhar, how did you go with the repot etc? Did you repot again at a lower level in Autumn?
I think this has a lot of potential and think that Tony had some good ideas re the planting angle and eventual height etc.

Hi Sidd

Nice Pine and a fine purchase. Only just seen this one, mind if I may throw my in. I have put a few lines on the pic to give a suggestion

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I would take the heavier branches indicated by red lines off and replace them with what appears to be smaller branches behind them indicated by the blue lines. I agree with Scott's trunk angle at the black line and keep the height to the top blacvk line.

The smaller branches will give the trunk more power and be easier to get shape in and compress the foliage. Drop the angle of the branches downward and maybe layer some to fill in any gaps.

Enjoy the wiring. It's therapeutic if you let it be.

Look forward to the next shots

Tony

I noticed that you cut some of the branches off that he suggested.
If you haven't done a full wiring and initial styling yet, maybe you could have a crack at it this winter?
I am a beginner but I can see a really nice design if planted at the angle Tony suggested with the right hand branch pulled down slightly cascading next to the trunk line and the top of the tree compacted and shaped into a crown etc.
I think it looks good now and I am sure that you will develop it to your liking so please let us know how it is going.
Cheers, Dario.