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Would like to know Japanese Maple "family name" variety that bonsai community uses?
ie: Crimson Maple

Acer palmatum, Deshojo is spectacular and different from the plain old palmatum variety.
Ken

Also Coral bark maple

kcpoole wrote:Acer palmatum, Deshojo is spectacular and different from the plain old palmatum variety.
Ken

I concur. I had a few of these, but lost them. They are spectacular. Ray Nesci grows them, and also has a few other varieties with slightly smaller leaved versions than an ordinary acer palmatum. Some have a beautiful red lining to the leaves as well that he keeps out the back. He has quite a few different varieties, but I have given up on them, .... they just don't like my conditions, and I've pretty much given up on most exotics.

bonsaibuddyman wrote:

kcpoole wrote:Acer palmatum, Deshojo is spectacular and different from the plain old palmatum variety.
Ken

I concur. I had a few of these, but lost them. They are spectacular. Ray Nesci grows them, and also has a few other varieties with slightly smaller leaved versions than an ordinary acer palmatum. Some have a beautiful red lining to the leaves as well that he keeps out the back. He has quite a few different varieties, but I have given up on them, .... they just don't like my conditions, and I've pretty much given up on most exotics.

Might have to give a Nesci a second visit in a month or two. Already have a Sparky Trident $12 and Deshojo in a tube starter (from his greenhouse stock)

You will find that the standard Acer Palmatum is the most suited for bonsai although various other varieties will be ok with varying levels of added difficulty due to growth habit and reduced vigor etc.

Jow wrote:You will find that the standard Acer Palmatum is the most suited for bonsai although various other varieties will be ok with varying levels of added difficulty due to growth habit and reduced vigor etc.

I find plain A.Palmatum to be very boring in terms of the colour "just green". However if there is another colour on the green leaf ie: redish/pinkish outline then I find it to be more interesting visually but also the colour when it changes in autumn.
Deshojo is slow growing from what I know and read.

But what about Bloodgood Maple or even the Dissectum Maples?

xIIRevoEvoS wrote:

Jow wrote:You will find that the standard Acer Palmatum is the most suited for bonsai although various other varieties will be ok with varying levels of added difficulty due to growth habit and reduced vigor etc.

I find plain A.Palmatum to be very boring in terms of the colour "just green". However if there is another colour on the green leaf ie: redish/pinkish outline then I find it to be more interesting visually but also the colour when it changes in autumn.
Deshojo is slow growing from what I know and read.

But what about Bloodgood Maple or even the Dissectum Maples?

Most of the dissected maples are weak roots and thus are grafted on to other maple stock

I have a few Deshojo from cuttings and have them in ground to a few years and agree they are a bit slow

Ken

kcpoole wrote:

xIIRevoEvoS wrote:

Jow wrote:You will find that the standard Acer Palmatum is the most suited for bonsai although various other varieties will be ok with varying levels of added difficulty due to growth habit and reduced vigor etc.

I find plain A.Palmatum to be very boring in terms of the colour "just green". However if there is another colour on the green leaf ie: redish/pinkish outline then I find it to be more interesting visually but also the colour when it changes in autumn.
Deshojo is slow growing from what I know and read.

But what about Bloodgood Maple or even the Dissectum Maples?

Most of the dissected maples are weak roots and thus are grafted on to other maple stock

I have a few Deshojo from cuttings and have them in ground to a few years and agree they are a bit slow

Ken

Easy for you to grow in the ground but its harder for me, the only way I can grow my bonsai is in plastic pots.

Might need to buy couple more starter Deshojo from Ray Nesci in tubes and might as well ask what other Japanese Maple variety he has, since I rarely speak to him when I walk around

But what about Bloodgood Maple or even the Dissectum Maples?

I have seen some Bloodgood bonsai but I agree with Jow. I have found Bloodgood and most of the red leaved varieties much more temperamental than seed grown plants. From seed you can get a range of different leaf shapes and colours so look closer at the palmatums on offer. Most have been grown from seed and there will occasionally be an interesting variant amongst them. Even better, collect seed off interesting looking trees and grow some of your own.

'Seryu' is the only upright growing dissected leaf palmatum. I have found it to be reasonably hardy and think it should be used as bonsai more often but, like all named varieties, usually only available grafted.

I have a large seryu as a backyard specimen plant. Much hardier than the other 4 types of garden maples! I have just collected some seed so will see how I go but have had no luck in the past growing from seed or cuttings


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Isitangus wrote:I have a large seryu as a backyard specimen plant. Much hardier than the other 4 types of garden maples! I have just collected some seed so will see how I go but have had no luck in the past growing from seed or cuttings

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When are you collecting and when are you planting out these seeds?

Might answer why they're not sprouting!

Cheers,
Mo

Maple seed is not quite ripe down here yet. Wait until they are properly brown and dry. Sow soon after collecting them and wait for spring - simples
Seryu seed germinates very well for me and seedlings are strong but very few have the real divided leaves of the parent. I get a whole range of different leaf shapes which makes growing seedlings great fun. Remember that even seedlings that look like the parent cannot be called Seryu, only cuttings and grafted plants can have the same name..

Isitangus wrote:I have a large seryu as a backyard specimen plant. Much hardier than the other 4 types of garden maples! I have just collected some seed so will see how I go but have had no luck in the past growing from seed or cuttings


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Did you place the seed in a container for 90 days in the fridge with propagating sand and peat moss?? So that they germinate with roots before transplanting to a seed raising box

shibui wrote:

But what about Bloodgood Maple or even the Dissectum Maples?

I have seen some Bloodgood bonsai but I agree with Jow. I have found Bloodgood and most of the red leaved varieties much more temperamental than seed grown plants. From seed you can get a range of different leaf shapes and colours so look closer at the palmatums on offer. Most have been grown from seed and there will occasionally be an interesting variant amongst them. Even better, collect seed off interesting looking trees and grow some of your own.

'Seryu' is the only upright growing dissected leaf palmatum. I have found it to be reasonably hardy and think it should be used as bonsai more often but, like all named varieties, usually only available grafted.

Got to have a look for Seryu as well.
Most maples from bonsai nursery tend to have cuts right exactly why its growing straight and its very hard to find the right maple starter with a decent straight trunk