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Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 9th, 2014, 7:00 pm
by Laurie J
Hi everyone,

I found these today too cheap to pass up, whether they end up as Bonsai or in my garden I don't mind. Would love your opinions on whether they're worth pursuing as Bonsai

Callistemon viminalis
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Hybrid - Splendens x pallidus
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Also got these:

Banksia spinulosa
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Prunus pursica
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Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 9th, 2014, 10:59 pm
by kcpoole
The only one Not good for Bonsai is the callistemon. That one seems to have large leaves?
most Calli can be found with small leaves and are awesome as bonsai :yes:

Each of the other will make very nice Bonsai.
Put in the ground for a few year to bulk them up and have the best of both worlds :-).

Ken

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 10th, 2014, 6:35 am
by Phoenix238
The Peach is also grafted, so I wouldn't bother with that one. You could take some cuttings or layers from up high once it gets bigger though :tu:

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 10th, 2014, 7:04 am
by kcpoole
Phoenix238 wrote:The Peach is also grafted, so I wouldn't bother with that one. You could take some cuttings or layers from up high once it gets bigger though :tu:
good point, I did not see it

Put it in the ground and layer off soem branches when they develop

Ken

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 10th, 2014, 8:26 pm
by Laurie J
Thanks guys! I'll pop the callistemon and the peach in the ground then. I assumed the peach was grafted anyway.

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 10th, 2014, 10:03 pm
by Bush bunny
What's wrong with a grafted peach tree? I bought one Japanese White Pine grafted and an Blue cedar, and another pine I can't remember the name a round one. They all cost me around $40 each. Not as bonsai though just a garden centre, and they were very healthy and growing well. Is that the difference. Some times they graft some fruit trees so to avoid some disease or give the graft more stability as far as growth is concerned. Anyway it's a nice garden tree, so plant it and see how it grows. I would treat it as a bonsai, and leave it to grow in a big pot, so I could keep an eye on it from insects and disease. :fc:

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 11th, 2014, 6:08 am
by Isitangus
Hi bush bunny there's nothing wrong with grafted trees as bonsai, but it all comes down to the graft. This has a straight trunk and high graft, so can't be cut back too low or it won't be a peach.
As other have said the best thing is to grow it up and take layers later.

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 11th, 2014, 6:35 am
by Phoenix238
Bush bunny wrote:What's wrong with a grafted peach tree? I bought one Japanese White Pine grafted and an Blue cedar, and another pine I can't remember the name a round one. They all cost me around $40 each. Not as bonsai though just a garden centre, and they were very healthy and growing well. Is that the difference. Some times they graft some fruit trees so to avoid some disease or give the graft more stability as far as growth is concerned. Anyway it's a nice garden tree, so plant it and see how it grows. I would treat it as a bonsai, and leave it to grow in a big pot, so I could keep an eye on it from insects and disease. :fc:
Oh I don't have a problem with a grafted peach tree, in fact I have one sitting on my front porch! They just aren't built for bonsai ;) In this case the grafted rootstock is what keeps it "dwarfed"

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 11th, 2014, 7:40 am
by kcpoole
Bush bunny wrote:What's wrong with a grafted peach tree?
Generally they will look ugly.
They invariable are not done well, so as Bonsai they stick out like a sore thumb. Reverse taper and different bark types are usually the downfall.

Ken

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 11th, 2014, 8:38 am
by MoGanic
kcpoole wrote:
Bush bunny wrote:What's wrong with a grafted peach tree?
Generally they will look ugly.
They invariable are not done well, so as Bonsai they stick out like a sore thumb. Reverse taper and different bark types are usually the downfall.

Ken
Could always layer above the graft? Usually these aren't done for want of a stronger root system, but rather because cuttings are too difficult and seedlings aren't saleable for a long time (especially with flowering trees).

So really, an air layer would be the best way to get this on it's way to becoming a Bonsai, true?

Never layered one of these but I've seen layers on pretty much anything. Can't imagine it'd be too hard to achieve...

Regards,
Mo

Re: Bargain bin finds

Posted: September 11th, 2014, 11:35 am
by Bush bunny
I live and learn, thanks everyone. :aussie: