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Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 2:43 pm
by John Henry
Hi All,This is a very old Black Pine that i have been trying to get back budding on with out much success, so it was time to re style (hope i have done the right thing)
Thanks John m
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 2:50 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
Hi John,
Do you have any plan for the roots?
Best regards.
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 2:58 pm
by Bretts
I like the work you have done John. The roots do pose an interesting problem. I would have loved to have seen this in the problem trees at the Peter Adams summit and seen what he would have done. I found most of the problem trees at the demo where as Peter stated "Problems I would like to have" This one would have been more challenging for him!
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 3:12 pm
by Elias
Hi John,
Well done, I think this tree will come along quite nicely.
Can I ask theoretically could you have grafted buds closer to the trunk on the lower branch...? What would be the pro and cons of this...?
I've been doing a bit of reading into grafting on Black pines, but need further research and I guess timing could be a bit trial and error...Anyone got any tips....?
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 3:19 pm
by Bretts
Hey good piont Elias. I believe the time to graft is now. I read this somewhere and Ray did a graft on my pine for me at the Summit workshop. There is a great pine grafting video on utube by Brent Waltson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3PVlqQHZHM
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 3:48 pm
by Dave54
Hi John,
nice transformation.
A carefully selected rock on the opposite side to the roots will be the easiest for balance.
Some time down the track the tree could evolve to more of a literati. What do you think?
cheers
Dave
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 4:03 pm
by Elias
Bretts wrote:Hey good piont Elias. I believe the time to graft is now. I read this somewhere and Ray did a graft on my pine for me at the Summit workshop. There is a great pine grafting video on utube by Brent Waltson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3PVlqQHZHM
Yeah I saw this vid with Brent, he has another vid where he does some pruning on pines, a more recent addition I think... Also on one of Lindsays Vid there is a Chinese woman who does a graft of a JWP, seems easier especially on younger trees. I believe as the tree gets older trees they develop a thinner lifeline and thus making it harder for the graft to take.
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 14th, 2009, 4:20 pm
by bonsaibruce
Greetings,
Now is the time to sort out the black pine roots.
The trunk has no taper at ground level.
When the tree was tube stock it has been left in too long and the roots are growing around the trunk.
In one of the photos there is a root along side the trunk, not coming out of the trunk.
Now that you have the basic shape, cut off one incorrect root each year.
Don't worry about back budding as it will never happen while the tree is being strangled by its own roots growing around the trunk.
All my black pines at autopsy were strangled by their own circular roots.
Good Luck,
BB
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 15th, 2009, 6:43 am
by anttal63
definately a better transformation. yeah the roots are ugly.

Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 15th, 2009, 9:47 am
by aaron_tas
yea great job
and, i don't think of the roots as ugly...
they are just something you have to work with. they are quite "left", so maybe you could grow the left branch left more...
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or it could be a sweet pheonix if you have a sweet piece of drifty.

Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 15th, 2009, 3:46 pm
by John Henry
Thanks Aaron, This is exactly my thoughts the roots are the main focal point the front will be sharied and refind
Thanks John
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 15th, 2009, 4:24 pm
by Jow
Looking good John! Much improved from the before image....
Re: Black Pine Re Style
Posted: July 15th, 2009, 4:43 pm
by DavidN
Hi John,
Love the compactness of the tree now. I think everyone is starting to know you as one of the pine masters.
David