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2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 5:45 pm
by The Specimen
These 2 were recently acquired.. I have generally see seen 2 types, one is light pink and the other is darker and seems more vibrant

Lucky for me after quite some time, I finally have them :D

Both are now recovering as you can see in the foam boxes.. question is the trunk certainly in the photo as you can see is straight and boring. :lost:

Should I just let it grow for now or can I hack it back further?

All thoughts and advice welcome!

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:02 pm
by k2bonsai
For the 1st one, could you air layer the top off for a multi-trunk and then once that is done chop so that the left branch mid tree is the new leader??

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:06 pm
by The Specimen
That is a great idea though I am not confident as I have no operational experience and my client may pass?

I should give it a try as I have seen vids on it.. should I let it grow or can I safely perform this ops now ?

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:07 pm
by alpineart
Hi The Specimen , mate they look like flowering plums possibly Prunus Cerasifera Nigra or Prunus Blireana . The first trunk has a typical graft union as on mine . I would be inclined to let then grow for a season then make the decision as to which style would suit best .

Cheers Alpineart

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:16 pm
by The Specimen
Thanks Alpine.. yes you have very good attention to detail as I have seen many of your projects and posts ^^

It is an ugly bump and visually is bothering.. :shake: if say later I was to air layer, what tree will I have then ? :lost:

Have posted branches that were chopped and you can see the blossoms are magnificent and on show only for a short annual duration..

They have been inside my house with the heater blowing for 2 days now =/

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:17 pm
by anttal63
Layer both of them and no not yet! mid to late spring when they get going. When too hot and strong northerlys keep wet, shady and protected !!! If ya stuck we can do it together ! :tu:

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:31 pm
by The Specimen
Great Ant!.. yes I think I'll get some help on these guys and would be good to catch up too ^^

If I layer them, would I still get the blooms n blossoms ?

What about the root stock? Could I even get 2 types of blossoming trees ? :D that would be Christmas come early

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:37 pm
by alpineart
Hi The specimen , use the tooth pick method to grow roots just below the graft union . Why waste a great basal flare like that . I put 24 tooth pick into mine and 20 produced roots , and the roots are mainly in the original root stock so it will always be strong and healthy . I certainly gives the trunk the muscle they need in the flare rather than a gentle taper .

Cheers Alpine

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 6:43 pm
by anttal63
Alpine has given you some good advice for the bottoms this way you get 2 with, 2 without root stock but all the same blossoms i would imagine ! :tu: :hooray: :clap:

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 7:02 pm
by The Specimen
Tooth Pick Method.. :lost: interesting technique.. can't be like how they grow avocado seed in a cup n tooth pick ??

I'll look into it for sure!

[quote="use the tooth pick method to grow roots just below the graft union . Why waste a great basal flare like that ./quote]

Do you mean air layer with the tooth pick method at the "flair" point to take advantage of the fat base ?

What about the long boring straight trunk.. how should I manage that ? Have you any idea what the root stock may be ??? This can be quite exciting

Thanks for sharing!

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 8:20 pm
by alpineart
Hi The Specimem , mate if you drill the base and insert the toothpicks with hormone powder into the 1/8 drill hole then cover the graft union with bonsai mix or potting mix about 25mm above the graft and toothpicks . Give it a season and you will have more roots than you need .Trim them back hard and tease them out radially , Thats the roots sorted for this year.

Now as for that trunk , it is straight so build a bigger tree or leave it to back bud while the roots are developing and cut it down them . Personally it has a straight section then a leader or two in the stubs are at an angle . That could be used as a new leader or as mentioned layer half the straight section off next year . If you tilt the trunk over so one of the upper stubs is vertical and it will take on a completely different look . Develop from there and you could end up with a nice slanting style with a broom type canopy , that would make for a very nice floral display .

Work with what you have before , hacking it hard .Done bun can't be undone .

Cheers Alpine

P.S The root stock on most of these types of plums is a green leaf , green plum variety , unknown to me .

P.S AGAIN My topic Flowering Plum shows a tranformation from tree to ground layer toothpick method to trainer . I will do an update soon as its beginning to blossom

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 8:56 pm
by The Specimen
Awesome Alpine really appreciate it!

Yes plz update your projects.. they are inspiring indeed!

Going too read your posts now :reading:

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 8:59 pm
by shibui
If these are grafted plums the rootstock will probably be Prunus cerasifera - Myrobolan plum. Single white flowers followed by smallish red plums. Many of the feral roadside plums are this species.

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 21st, 2012, 9:54 pm
by The Specimen
shibui wrote:If these are grafted plums the rootstock will probably be Prunus cerasifera - Myrobolan plum. Single white flowers followed by smallish red plums. Many of the feral roadside plums are this species.
Cheersfor the input Shibui.. cool if i can get to eat the red plums too..

Are u bringing much stock to the expo in Oct?

Re: 2 x Cherry Blossom

Posted: August 22nd, 2012, 9:49 pm
by shibui
Plums on the myrobolan are edible but not particularly large or tasty. I think the 'cherry plum' that is planted as street trees is the same species.

Will bring down a selection of what is available.
Since opening the website stock is moving more than usual so not sure what will be left by October. Also need to make sure there is some left for Canberra the following weekend but we will have something to contribute to the sales tables.