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Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 11th, 2009, 11:11 pm
by kcpoole
This is my Second tree to discuss this week for our Do drop in's
It is a JBP purchased from "Bonsai Environment" at Vineyard 3 years ago.
I have removed some branches myself, and a hailstorm removed another one

, but it has been growing really well and is happy in my care.
I think the structure is fine and I will be developing foliage pads as time progresses. Yes it needs another needle pluck session
Suggestions / Comments? The first photo is the front
Ken
ps Have a wonderful Easter sunday, and peace to all wherever you come from
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 11th, 2009, 11:22 pm
by stymie
Decent surface roots on your preferred front. All to often lacking on Pinus.
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 4:23 am
by Chris Johnston
kcpoole,
I like your tree so far. I might suggest a bit more movement in the upper third of the trunk and a slight lowering of the branches.
Have you been candling this tree in midsummer? What technique do you use for developing JBP?
Chris
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 6:47 am
by anttal63
coming along nicely ken, i woud like to see the planting angle moved slightly to rid the vertical bottom third.

Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 9:19 am
by kcpoole
Thanks Chris
Last year I started to detail work the tree. I De candle the strongest candle when they extend. Usually in Spring there is 3 ad I take out the centre completely and shorten the others when they start to open
Again Thru summer I remove vigorous candles as necessary or shorten the weak ones. In Sydney here sometimes it will candle 3 times.
I will now have to neeedle pluck to remove all the long scraggly ones
I am lucky with the surface roots ands this is what attracted me to the tree initially
Ant - I will look at tilting the tree at next repot. By doing that it will lower one side of the foliage as chris suggested, and then only have to bring down the other by force. It may also present the opportunity to get more movement at the top as well
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 9:22 am
by aaron_tas
nice pine ken
if this was my pine though, i would do this...
cut the first branch off (red)
add stacks of movement, compressing as much as possible (blue)
and bring the branches down as far as possible (aqua)
kensjbpedited.jpg
hey ken... how big is this tree

Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 10:44 am
by Grant Bowie
The first, lowest branch has helped to thicken the trunk and I like Aarons suggestion.
Grant
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 12:05 pm
by Asus101
Chris Johnston wrote:kcpoole,
I like your tree so far. I might suggest a bit more movement in the upper third of the trunk and a slight lowering of the branches.
Have you been candling this tree in midsummer? What technique do you use for developing JBP?
Chris
I think its time for you to do an epic JBP post...
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 9:08 pm
by kcpoole
Interesting Aaron.. Quite a change proposed that I will have to think hard on. The lower section of the trunk where you suggest to bend is about 30 - 40 mm dia and only 150 mm long so will be quite hard to bend. Can a bend be put in using a jack over this distance? Maybe have to split the trunk or take a Wedge out to achieve it.
The total height is 400 mm from the Soil level
Here are some older photos of the tree
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 9:14 pm
by kcpoole
Asus101 wrote:
I think its time for you to do an epic JBP post...
Who Me?
I only have 1 worthwhile which is this one in this thread
I have several others that I purchased from Koreshoffs final days, but are only young. I did reduce them markedly by airlayering them several times so now I have i think 6 JBP
posting.php?mode=quote&f=38&p=9996#" for the price of 2
I reckon there are more here better qualified to do a major post on then than me
Ken
Re: Japanese Black Pine - Drop in on Sunday
Posted: April 15th, 2009, 6:08 am
by Chris Johnston
Asus101 wrote:Chris Johnston wrote:kcpoole,
I like your tree so far. I might suggest a bit more movement in the upper third of the trunk and a slight lowering of the branches.
Have you been candling this tree in midsummer? What technique do you use for developing JBP?
Chris
I think its time for you to do an epic JBP post...
Thinking about it, Ben. I'll post two years' development in a pine and see what folks think.
Chris