AusBonsai

thought seen as i have been looking at pine for insipartion i thought i would share some pics aswell, if i can get a pine to loook half as good as these i will be a happy man, anything better than that will just be a bonus as i am a complete novice when it comes to pines!
hope you like them as much as i do, even if they are only pics, i love insipartion trees!

jamie

here is a pic of what i would be aiming for pretty much spot on, i know its a bit of a cookie cutter (i hate that term) but i am not phased, i would be happy with a pine like this and be able to keep it alive
jamie

No cookie there mate that is a class AAA shohinJB!!! A rare find in this country, that quality!

Need to find a trunk with a good root spread. The right girth, tapering early, basal flare will help with that. AND at least one strong healthy bud low down to be a leader. However with the right know how it can be induced. I will be on the look out for you, Just gotta resist not keeping it myself.

Heres a melbourne job! I asked him to name his price but he will not sell it. Thats how rare they are!

Hi Jamie,
I think we would all like a tree like that. I suspect if you want one of that quality you would have to grow it yourself, who in their right mind would part with that.
Craig

craigw60 wrote:Hi Jamie,
I think we would all like a tree like that. I suspect if you want one of that quality you would have to grow it yourself, who in their right mind would part with that.
Craig

Indeed Craig, where as europe and the states no prob plenty goin round.

Europe they are imported mainly and USA they were imported (and still are illegally via Courier) and are now being grown by some skilled nurserymen....

I have two that will be ok in a few more years... they have been grown locally and grown by myself for close to 10 years... Unfortunately i have only really learnt to drive pines well since returning from my first Japan stint which means they are not as far along as they could have been.

Unfortunately here, there are very few people growing these and even fewer if any at all growing these intended for sale.

Thats right Jow in europe and the usa they bring in pines by the container full if only we could do that here it would really improve the quality of our home grown stock. To grow pines of this quality takes some years and I think our home grown bonsai nurseries are in their infancy really. Would be great if you could do a post on techniques for achieving this kind of material given your experience in Japan.
Craig

Jamie wrote:i beleive your right about the yatsabusa being slow, but the radiata is the same as monetary i think mate, just different names from across oceans.

i would love a white pine but dont think it will even survive a month up here.

i know there are some in rocky growing black pine really well. i definately only want a shohin tree though, i beleive i will have get a larger tree and chop it down to get what i am after though

Jamie if you want a Shohin size pine ( even I would want a JBP ) Pinus Pinea has small juvenile foliage, they are a natural with the new foliage being small. The biggest draw back for most people is the colour of the foliage.
You said you would like a white pine!. that is all the more reason for Pinus pinea, Italian stone pine fast growers. can be cut back with scissors shoots back readily on old wood the bark ages quickly. You can style in any of the classic styles can handle heat and humidity. OH and stock plants are usually very cheap. The two I have cost $ 4-50
20 years ago allowing for inflation and cost of living and what the nursery around here are like probably around $ 15-00 now.
What more could you want.
Just MHO cheers Pup

Hi Pup

where abouts would you be likely to find stone pine for sale?
I'm guessing it would have to be a specialized type nursery?

Cheers Regan

cheers pup that definately gives me some hope in developing my own, my plans were to get a reasonable one that had some work done to it so i could style and get to a reasonable stage soonish 3-5 years and wanting a few younger to grow on and develop myself

pinus pinea does sound very interesting i am not phased that the foliage may be a different colour as foliage is only part of a tree and only part of a story right.

knowing now that the tree i put up and said was a "cookie cutter" is not makes me happier but a bit off aswell knowing how hard it might be to get to a stage that i want.

i have had some PM's about some JBP so thank you to those people! i will still be interested in where this goes. i will have to have a look for some examples of pinus pinea to pup and at that price they seem good, i take it will be a lot of growing on though.

i really want to learn about pine and how they grow as it is one thing i have little experience with (along with other stuff) and have a craving for knowledge on it

jamie

Jamie i did grow about 30 JBP, 3 YEARS ago already in 6 inch pots when i got them. I have since sold all but one (again i should have kept most but will start again in mass down here) i let a sacrifice branch grow for 3 years low and removed it last winter . I cut it back hard and its now just a big green dome. When i thin and wire in autumn i will take pic for you. The trunk is not bad at 2.5 inches and the tree will sit around 8 inches hopefully I proberly should of left the sacrifice on for another 3 years but you learn

look forward to seeing it mate