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Just a wild guess Mel' fulgens , Mel rhaphiophylla , Mel cuticularis , sorry bordom set in .Alpine

alpineart wrote:Just a wild guess Mel' fulgens , Mel rhaphiophylla , Mel cuticularis , sorry bordom set in .Alpine

Whats boring the thread or your time .

Which one is which in your answer .

Cheers Pup

Pup wrote:

alpineart wrote:Just a wild guess Mel' fulgens , Mel rhaphiophylla , Mel cuticularis , sorry bordom set in .Alpine

Whats boring the thread or your time .

Which one is which in your answer .

Cheers Pup

is there a third option?

Pup


Matt

Pup wrote:

alpineart wrote:Just a wild guess Mel' fulgens , Mel rhaphiophylla , Mel cuticularis , sorry bordom set in .Alpine

Whats boring the thread or your time .

Which one is which in your answer .

Cheers Pup

No Pup not the thread , its a good challenge to an amatuer like me , like i said a wild guess instead of replying 3 times i decided any of the 3 options "no rules ".Boredom with the google searches they seem to contradict each other ,even the W.A Gov Sites . Bit like trying to I.D 2 needle pines . SO is it any of the 3 wild guesses.Cheers

MattA wrote:

Pup wrote:

alpineart wrote:Just a wild guess Mel' fulgens , Mel rhaphiophylla , Mel cuticularis , sorry bordom set in .Alpine

Whats boring the thread or your time .

Which one is which in your answer .

Cheers Pup

is there a third option?

Pup


Matt[/quote

As an amatuer i usually start with 3 options then try to narrow it down so my question is is it any of the 3 species named ?

It appears that you guys are the only ones that tried, out of 130 lookers.
So I will reveal the answer at lunch time. To see who was closest, or even right. Unless senseijames wishes to let you know.

What it does show is that a lot of people wish to know, but few are willing to look for the answer as Alpineart did.
Matt what do you think? is there 3.

Cheers Pup

I have looked at this thread with interest, but have so little experience with these - all I could say are they are not melalueca linariifolia (at least I think they are not).

Glenda

hi mr Pup,

I wouldn't have even guessed the first one was a Mel.
but is the second one Styphelioides..............? just a guess

Cheers Gott

As I said lunchtime, I would post the answers. Alpineart got one right that means his second guess was right, so he was right allround as they are the same, Melaleuca rhaphiophylla.

One has mature foliage and the other is immature foliage. So it is not easy to identify by foliage alone.
Some times they have both types on one plant.
Yes they are Melaleuca

Cheers Pup

i knew there was going be something tricky like that pup!! i didnt even look at the raph. thinking they were one of your favourite and you were trying to make it challanging!!

look forward to the next test these sort of things are how we learn and grow

Hi Pup after 3 hours searching google over 250 sites/blogs or whatever they call them , very few had close up pics to accurately I.D any plant or tree material . Only 2 sites stated there is more than 200 different types of Mels but had reference to only a dozen or so .. I was rather bored with the google inaccuracies ,but i did choose those 3 against all others for the foliage , however like i said there i very little Correct info on natives or pines .

Google is not as accurate as it could be , to many people post willy nilly and the true info is difficult to locate . What material do you use for reference for Natives?

Research is my the first priority , that gives me options to ask "Questions" or research some more ..Cheers Alpine

i have to agree with you about trying to find info on mel. Ian it is bloody hard, i found one decent referance site but soon realised it was only VIC specific, trying to locate decent info for them makes it hard, and totally agree bout the pines aswell!

Hi Jamie , pines are a bloody nightmare ,from juvenile foliage to soils can make the I.D VERY DIFFICULT . I was surprised with Melaleuca's . You need to be "switched on and plugged in" with them thats for sure .I was fairly certain about No 1 but No 2 i would have said Fulgens over Rhaph" , Cut' was deleted from my option list .Without true pics we're all flying blind unless we have Personal experience . One would think the Gov' sites would contain huge amounts of info on Natives . I was disappointed with most of them .Cheers Alpine

Pup wrote:It appears that you guys are the only ones that tried, out of 130 lookers.
So I will reveal the answer at lunch time. To see who was closest, or even right. Unless senseijames wishes to let you know.

What it does show is that a lot of people wish to know, but few are willing to look for the answer as Alpineart did.
Matt what do you think? is there 3.

Cheers Pup

Pup, sorry I was away for the day & didnt see this. I wouldn't have even had a guess to what they were beyond Melaleuca I admit to being the worst to ask, what something is. Except when its something I know well personally, even then I have things for which a positive ID still eludes me.

As with you Alpine, I find the government sites lacking in detailed information. Occasionally a species will be well documented & have really good photo's to help but not often. Good genus specific reference books can be invaluable if your really keen but, they are expensive, hard to get and so quickly outdated.


Matt

G,day guys yes it is hard to find information for specifics in a lot of cases. The public Libraries can be of great help. Second hand book shops and, those shops that specialise in finding books that are out of print.
I found one of my reference books on Melaleucas in Germany, though one of these shops.

The Books I use for reference are no 1 Bottlebrushes,Paperbarks,and Tea trees
and all other trees in the Leptospermum alliance,
John W. Wrigley and Murray Fagg

ISBN 0 207 16867 9.

no 2 A Field Guide To
Melaleucas
by Ivan Holliday
ISBN 0 947334 09 2 .
Both of these books have photos of leaf and flower of many of the trees.

The other book is the Encyclopaedia Botanica this book has black and white drawings and explanations of the trees and plants and there growth habits and propagation techniques. Which is helpful as when you know where and how something grows it does help.

I know there are a lot of Books out here plus Magazines, but we also need reference books on the plants that we grow as Bonsai.
You guys have already mentioned how hard it is to get specifics on Pinus.
My suggestion then is let us have a thread specific to books that we need for such purposes. Not just on Bonsai, books that can help Identify trees and also pests and diseases.

I will use the web as a last resort, because as you have found it is not all that great. I am glad you found this little exercise, helpful.
Cheers Pup