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Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

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Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 28th, 2015, 3:13 pm
by Boics
Everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose...

My opinion is that the book is one of the best you can get.
Fantastic information that goes well beyond standard techniques and practises found in very other Bonsai book.

See for yourself and make your own mind up I say.

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 29th, 2015, 3:35 pm
by GavinG
I'm not too keen on the fairies-and-gnomes stuff either, but her artistic and technical knowledge is second to none. An excellent and valuable book, with generations of experience behind it.

We tend to be a prosaic lot - there are significant layers of poetic meaning in Japanese and Chinese trees that simply go over the top of our heads, mostly. Tying our trees in to wider mythological or cultural meanings might not be such a bad thing. I have no idea how to do it.

Gavin

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 29th, 2015, 5:19 pm
by mountainman
Brian wrote:Deborah Korreshoff's drawings and styling is excellent. Her text however is away with the fairies.
you obviously don't understand all the basics, she has written about.

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 29th, 2015, 5:47 pm
by treeman
GavinG wrote:
technical knowledge is second to none
.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Not second to none at all! Why guild the lilly??? I've see her trees. and the results of her workshops in the US. Average at best. Why are we so afraid of criticism in the bonsai world? The rest of the art world critisize the hell out of works. People make a living out of it. It makes people look more deeply and think and work with more conviction. Standards will only go up.
There are many other overated people...........and many under as well :?: :|

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 29th, 2015, 8:17 pm
by irish
Hello.

This was the first book on Bonsai I brought. Reading this, just made me go and have a look at it again. 1st edition.

How meny other people have written a book on Bonsai. Or for that matter a book on anything?

Let a lone have a book re-printed!

Cheers.
Irish Junee :aussie:

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 29th, 2015, 9:09 pm
by Ryceman3
treeman wrote:
GavinG wrote:
technical knowledge is second to none
.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Not second to none at all! Why guild the lilly??? I've see her trees. and the results of her workshops in the US. Average at best. Why are we so afraid of criticism in the bonsai world? The rest of the art world critisize the hell out of works. People make a living out of it. It makes people look more deeply and think and work with more conviction. Standards will only go up.
There are many other overated people...........and many under as well :?: :|
Point 1:
The OP was just after suggestions about where to get a copy of the book, not a personal opinion on who thought it was worth a read. Let's keep it focused people! For the record, I have the book and have no plans on letting it go, sorry Homer!

Point 2:
"critisize" is spelt "criticise"... just a small criticism... :whistle:

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 30th, 2015, 4:45 pm
by Homer911
Ryceman3 wrote:
treeman wrote:
GavinG wrote:
technical knowledge is second to none
.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Not second to none at all! Why guild the lilly??? I've see her trees. and the results of her workshops in the US. Average at best. Why are we so afraid of criticism in the bonsai world? The rest of the art world critisize the hell out of works. People make a living out of it. It makes people look more deeply and think and work with more conviction. Standards will only go up.
There are many other overated people...........and many under as well :?: :|
Point 1:
The OP was just after suggestions about where to get a copy of the book, not a personal opinion on who thought it was worth a read. Let's keep it focused people! For the record, I have the book and have no plans on letting it go, sorry Homer!

Point 2:
"critisize" is spelt "criticise"... just a small criticism... :whistle:
Thanks ryceman3,

Just for the record I bought the book today, so no longer looking for a copy. : )

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 30th, 2015, 4:55 pm
by Jarad
When it comes to buying things for bonsai I like to follow the slogan of a popular sporting goods company:
NIKE.jpg
The GF isn't a fan though... :palm:

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 30th, 2015, 5:27 pm
by Elmar
Apply that to Flowers for GF, and she'll change her mind soon enough!


Cheers
EZ
Via Tapatalk

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 30th, 2015, 7:16 pm
by Phoenix238
CoGRedeMptioN wrote:Apply that to Flowers for GF, and she'll change her mind soon enough!
I find Moscato to be far more effective ;-)

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 30th, 2015, 9:18 pm
by Jarad
:lol: so you guys bribe and/or get them drunk so you can buy things? When she walks in the door I just say "whoops" and point to the balcony.

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 30th, 2015, 10:34 pm
by Graeme
My Mum always said, "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing". Great advice and so I am off to bed now. :whistle:

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: April 30th, 2015, 11:34 pm
by Elmar
Jarad wrote::lol: so you guys bribe and/or get them drunk so you can buy things? When she walks in the door I just say "whoops" and point to the balcony.
Bribing is such an ugly word... I like placate, or pacify or even bless!


Cheers
Elmar

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: May 1st, 2015, 10:00 pm
by wrcmad
Boics wrote:Everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose...

My opinion is that the book is one of the best you can get.
Fantastic information that goes well beyond standard techniques and practises found in very other Bonsai book.

See for yourself and make your own mind up I say.
Agree.
I have a copy of Koreshoff's book, and I wouldn't ever part with it.
I sold Naka's book... thought it was a waste of money (to put it mildly).
Each to their own.

Re: Bonsai - Its Art, Science, History and Philosophy by Deborah

Posted: May 3rd, 2015, 8:43 am
by bonsaiboy50
I could not agree with you more, very well said Edward :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

EdwardH wrote:Deborah's book has long been regarded as one of the premier books on bonsai. True its not for everyone as one size doesn't fits all. Keep in mind that the book was written over 20 years ago and we have all learnt a lot since then. I read it and found it enthralling. A treasure trove of information.
We need to give credit where credit is due and honour those pioneers who paved the road on which we walk. Remember that the Korreshoff's (senior) were bonsai pioneers in this country and didn't have the wealth of experience available to learn from as we do today. We stand on their shoulders and much of what we take for granted today was discovered by them (and others) by trial and error - not by surfing the web or joining a club. They WERE the club back in the 50's! :imo:
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