Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 14th, 2011, 3:02 pm
Currently at work so this will have to do...
or something like that
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Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 14th, 2011, 3:46 pm
Yep that makes sense. Great!
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 16th, 2011, 6:33 pm
Now Scott, Ive started wiring out this pine today and mate.. this aint as easy as I thought! 
Besides the fact that after every branch is wired out, the subsequent branch then needs to be reposistioned.. I have buds falling off around my clumbsy fingers 
I hope the end result will be what you envisage for the tree, cause Im really trying to do this guy justice 
Besides the fact that after every branch is wired out, the subsequent branch then needs to be reposistioned.. I have buds falling off around my clumbsy fingers I hope the end result will be what you envisage for the tree, cause Im really trying to do this guy justice Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 16th, 2011, 6:44 pm
Hey Sid,When Scott asked for a snap of the chop, I think he was referring to the potter's signature on the underneath of the pot that the tree is planted in, not the trunk chop. The potter's signature is called a "chop", "rakkan" or "hanko".
Intentional or not, your response was classic mate!!!!
Gave me a good laugh! Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 16th, 2011, 6:58 pm
Thanks Andrew, who would have thought, even after six years in the game I would still be none the wiser!Hey Sid,
When Scott asked for a snap of the chop, I think he was referring to the potter's signature on the underneath of the pot that the tree is planted in, not the trunk chop. The potter's signature is called a "chop", "rakkan" or "hanko".
Intentional or not, your response was classic mate!!!! Gave me a good laugh!
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Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 16th, 2011, 8:24 pm
Mate, if you are going to do more damage than good, don't push it. You can wire in autumn after pulling needles, it makes it much easier.siddhar wrote:Now Scott, Ive started wiring out this pine today and mate.. this aint as easy as I thought!
Sorry mate, yeah I meant on the base of the pot?siddhar wrote:Thanks Andrew, who would have thought, even after six years in the game I would still be none the wiser!Hey Sid,
When Scott asked for a snap of the chop, I think he was referring to the potter's signature on the underneath of the pot that the tree is planted in, not the trunk chop. The potter's signature is called a "chop", "rakkan" or "hanko".
Intentional or not, your response was classic mate!!!! Gave me a good laugh!
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 16th, 2011, 10:19 pm
That is a very hard question to answer, as it depends so much on the quality of the tree, and the work that has been carried out.FatMingsBonsai wrote:Hi mate,
Could you be kind enough to PM the price so I know how much such a 20 yr old tree is worth ??
Very nice little tree btwand enjoy...
Many thanks in advance.
I remember one occasion when attending one of Dorothy Koreshoffs workshops, when a woman brought in a JBP,that she had been working on for 25 years.
It was bloody hopeless it had no definition, so Dorothy cut off the top, and it was an immediate improvement. So 25 years of nothing, to 5 minutes of improvement, it was a 25 year old pine though.
Pup
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 17th, 2011, 12:40 am
I'm with Pup on this one. A tree is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In my mind, age is irrelevant. When I buy material, I buy based on what I see, what I think the tree can become and the health of the tree. A tree that has no appeal to me, may be considered to be of high value to someone else. 
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 17th, 2011, 5:35 am
Hi Siddhar, don't knock buds off your tree or at best keep it to a minimum, pines are not like deciduous trees which bud back freely. Back budding on pines is not a given so all of them are precious, wiring pine is a slow and careful job threading the wire between needles and avoiding damaging young buds.
Craigw
Craigw
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 17th, 2011, 9:28 am
Hi Craigw, Ive put the tree back on the bench and in the sun. Ill tackle the wiring again when I think Ive got the patience to do the least damage and the best possible job. I also need to find a new pot for the tree.Hi Siddhar, don't knock buds off your tree or at best keep it to a minimum, pines are not like deciduous trees which bud back freely. Back budding on pines is not a given so all of them are precious, wiring pine is a slow and careful job threading the wire between needles and avoiding damaging young buds.
Craigw
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 17th, 2011, 11:18 am
wiring pines is a pain and is probably best done once the new growth has hardened off or in the winter. They are a tree species which need lots of wiring to look good.
Craigw
Craigw
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 17th, 2011, 10:55 pm
Hi Sidd
Nice Pine and a fine purchase. Only just seen this one, mind if I may throw my
in. I have put a few lines on the pic to give a suggestion
I would take the heavier branches indicated by red lines off and replace them with what appears to be smaller branches behind them indicated by the blue lines. I agree with Scott's trunk angle at the black line and keep the height to the top blacvk line.
The smaller branches will give the trunk more power and be easier to get shape in and compress the foliage. Drop the angle of the branches downward and maybe layer some to fill in any gaps.
Enjoy the wiring. It's therapeutic if you let it be.
Look forward to the next shots
Tony
Nice Pine and a fine purchase. Only just seen this one, mind if I may throw my
in. I have put a few lines on the pic to give a suggestionI would take the heavier branches indicated by red lines off and replace them with what appears to be smaller branches behind them indicated by the blue lines. I agree with Scott's trunk angle at the black line and keep the height to the top blacvk line.
The smaller branches will give the trunk more power and be easier to get shape in and compress the foliage. Drop the angle of the branches downward and maybe layer some to fill in any gaps.
Enjoy the wiring. It's therapeutic if you let it be.
Look forward to the next shots
Tony
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 18th, 2011, 8:44 pm
Hi Tony and thank you for taking the time to give me some new direction for this tree. I will apply all of your suggestions and take my time with wiring the tree out. What advice can you give me on a suitable new pot to get the best overall composition for this JBP? And would I be safe to do a repot from now until say January, as long as I leave the roots alone and essentially just slip-pot the tree?Hi Sidd
Nice Pine and a fine purchase. Only just seen this one, mind if I may throw my in. I have put a few lines on the pic to give a suggestion
Hope the writings clear
I would take the heavier branches indicated by red lines off and replace them with what appears to be smaller branches behind them indicated by the blue lines. I agree with Scott's trunk angle at the black line and keep the height to the top blacvk line.
The smaller branches will give the trunk more power and be easier to get shape in and compress the foliage. Drop the angle of the branches downward and maybe layer some to fill in any gaps.
Enjoy the wiring. It's therapeutic if you let it be.
Look forward to the next shots
Tony
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 20th, 2011, 12:45 am
Hi Sidd
I wouldn't worry too much about the pot yet if you are planning on changing the angle and potting height. You will need a deeper pot for now to build the soil level up and get some new roots before being able to pot it back in a shallower pot. Depending on the feel you go for, I would say aim towards a straight sided rectangular with rounded corners and simple feet.
I would not root prune it up here from now on, but if you have a deep enough pot you should be right to slip it with minimal disturbance. Your locals will give you better advise there.
Tony
I wouldn't worry too much about the pot yet if you are planning on changing the angle and potting height. You will need a deeper pot for now to build the soil level up and get some new roots before being able to pot it back in a shallower pot. Depending on the feel you go for, I would say aim towards a straight sided rectangular with rounded corners and simple feet.
I would not root prune it up here from now on, but if you have a deep enough pot you should be right to slip it with minimal disturbance. Your locals will give you better advise there.
Tony
Re: New addition to the collection: 20 yo JBP!
Posted: November 20th, 2011, 4:47 am
I think it would be safe to re-pot your tree once the new growth has hardened off, if you want to do root work you can do that early in the autumn
Craigw
Craigw