JBP Problem
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 19
- Joined: February 1st, 2014, 9:28 pm
- Favorite Species: Japanese Maple, JBP
- Bonsai Age: 1
- Location: Sydney
JBP Problem
Hi all,
I'm in Sydney and last week I noticed 1 of the JBP needles turn brownish colour (refer photo) and I want opinion on what is the root cause of this? I watered the plants every 2 days during winter and I wasn't sure if this is the root cause as other JBP seems fine.
I also noticed one of the JBP have white stuff appears at the end of the candles (reer photo) and I hoping someone could tell me how to treat this
Brian
I'm in Sydney and last week I noticed 1 of the JBP needles turn brownish colour (refer photo) and I want opinion on what is the root cause of this? I watered the plants every 2 days during winter and I wasn't sure if this is the root cause as other JBP seems fine.
I also noticed one of the JBP have white stuff appears at the end of the candles (reer photo) and I hoping someone could tell me how to treat this
Brian
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- Promethius
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 290
- Joined: August 15th, 2021, 10:56 am
- Favorite Species: Anything I’ve not managed to kill yet
- Bonsai Age: 5
- Bonsai Club: BSV
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 897 times
- Been thanked: 155 times
Re: JBP Problem
Hi Subie
First one may be a root problem, especially a fungal one. Usually JBPs prefer a drier root system. Second-daily watering over winter seems excessive. I see you’re also using an insulating coir fibre mat. This will keep the soil wet too. Stick your finger a few cm into the potting mix when you’re due to water - is it still moist?
Second photo has limited resolution, but I think it looks like wooly aphids. An oil spray like Eco-oil should help.
How much sun do they get? Poor airflow and limited sun may predispose to issues like these.
First one may be a root problem, especially a fungal one. Usually JBPs prefer a drier root system. Second-daily watering over winter seems excessive. I see you’re also using an insulating coir fibre mat. This will keep the soil wet too. Stick your finger a few cm into the potting mix when you’re due to water - is it still moist?
Second photo has limited resolution, but I think it looks like wooly aphids. An oil spray like Eco-oil should help.
How much sun do they get? Poor airflow and limited sun may predispose to issues like these.
Yes, the username is misspelled: no, I can’t change it.
Andy
Andy
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 7943
- Joined: August 22nd, 2009, 8:41 pm
- Favorite Species: trident maple
- Bonsai Age: 41
- Bonsai Club: Albury/Wodonga; BSV; Canberra; VNBC
- Location: Yackandandah
- Has thanked: 81 times
- Been thanked: 1640 times
- Contact:
Re: JBP Problem
2nd Photo is definitely too poor to give an accurate diagnosis. White stuff on pines is often Pine bark adeljid (similar to woolly aphid but not quite the same) BUT, they are usually found on the stems rather than on the new buds.
Pines can also develop white resin on the candles. Without a closer look I can't be definite but I'd lean toward non harmful resin.
Agree that brown needles at this time of year could be root damage, often caused by soil being too wet for a long time. Watering pines by the calendar is very likely to result in root rot. Need to water according to soil moisture which can mean twice a day in warm weather down to once a month in winter.
Dothostroma - AKA needle blight is another problem that may cause brown needles. Again, the photo does not show enough detail to pick up any of the tiny indicators.
If you can get some good, clear close up shots that would make diagnosis much more accurate.
Pines can also develop white resin on the candles. Without a closer look I can't be definite but I'd lean toward non harmful resin.
Agree that brown needles at this time of year could be root damage, often caused by soil being too wet for a long time. Watering pines by the calendar is very likely to result in root rot. Need to water according to soil moisture which can mean twice a day in warm weather down to once a month in winter.
Dothostroma - AKA needle blight is another problem that may cause brown needles. Again, the photo does not show enough detail to pick up any of the tiny indicators.
If you can get some good, clear close up shots that would make diagnosis much more accurate.
http://shibuibonsai.com.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 19
- Joined: February 1st, 2014, 9:28 pm
- Favorite Species: Japanese Maple, JBP
- Bonsai Age: 1
- Location: Sydney
Re: JBP Problem
Thank you for the feedback. With the root issue, is there anything I need to do besides changing and monitor the watering regime?
- treeman
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 2921
- Joined: August 15th, 2011, 4:47 pm
- Favorite Species: any
- Bonsai Age: 25
- Location: melbourne
- Has thanked: 35 times
- Been thanked: 670 times
Re: JBP Problem
Yes I think watering every 2 days in winter might be the cause. Let it dry out even if it means taking it out of the pot for a couple of days. If the roots are very bad, you might want to repot into a small pot with a good mix and preferable into a terra cotta pot and include mycorrhizae from a healthy pine. The roots should have only about 2cm between them and the inside of the pot regardless of the size about ground. That is the secret of keeping many plants (including azaleas) healthy and moving.
Mike
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 178
- Joined: October 1st, 2022, 6:25 am
- Bonsai Age: 5
- Location: Sydney
- Has thanked: 148 times
- Been thanked: 119 times
Re: JBP Problem
I had similar problems with black pines and I think I’ve figured it out now. It’s all to do with the watering. They really don’t like being wet too long.
The main thing I did was reduce pot size as treeman said and let them get on the dryer side before watering.
Also if you know it’s going to rain a few days in a row, move them under the eves of the house so they are still in direct sun but get only a little rain.
I too am in Sydney and that 3weeks of rain in August would not have helped you one bit.
I have found the black pines are really the only trees I have that I need to worry about overwatering.
The main thing I did was reduce pot size as treeman said and let them get on the dryer side before watering.
Also if you know it’s going to rain a few days in a row, move them under the eves of the house so they are still in direct sun but get only a little rain.
I too am in Sydney and that 3weeks of rain in August would not have helped you one bit.
I have found the black pines are really the only trees I have that I need to worry about overwatering.
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 19
- Joined: February 1st, 2014, 9:28 pm
- Favorite Species: Japanese Maple, JBP
- Bonsai Age: 1
- Location: Sydney
Re: JBP Problem
Want to ask if these fungus on the trunk is ok
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 345
- Joined: May 19th, 2010, 7:12 pm
- Favorite Species: Pines junipers and others
- Bonsai Age: 40
- Location: Tamworth NSW
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 15 times
Re: JBP Problem
If you soil mix is retaining moisture to cause root problems, maybe a change of a more free draining open mixture is recommended
Cheers RodM
Cheers RodM
- Ryceman3
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 2836
- Joined: October 19th, 2014, 10:39 am
- Favorite Species: Pines & Mels
- Bonsai Age: 10
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 1194 times
- Been thanked: 2084 times
Re: JBP Problem
The pics are too small and blurred for me to see exactly, but even at such low resolution that does not look OK…

"NO CUTS, NO GLORY"
https://www.instagram.com/r3_bonsai/
https://www.instagram.com/r3_bonsai/
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 56
- Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:52 am
- Bonsai Age: 0
- Location: Sydney
- Been thanked: 28 times
JBP Problem
Yeah, doesn’t look like fungus, but whooly aphid/adelgid, whatever they’re called. Needs to be sprayed.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
- Aussie Bonsai Fan
- Posts: 7943
- Joined: August 22nd, 2009, 8:41 pm
- Favorite Species: trident maple
- Bonsai Age: 41
- Bonsai Club: Albury/Wodonga; BSV; Canberra; VNBC
- Location: Yackandandah
- Has thanked: 81 times
- Been thanked: 1640 times
- Contact:
Re: JBP Problem
Unlikely fungus. More likely Pine Bark Adeljid. If you can post a better picture - maybe closer to the trunk? we can confirm that diagnosis.
Adeljid can be difficult to eradicate. Contact insecticide must touch every single bug to kill them. It sometimes does not get through the woolly coat and it won't kill eggs which hatch a few days/weeks later. Need to repeat sprays before the new bugs lay eggs to break the cycle.
Systemic insecticide has been the most effective in dealing with Adeljid here. One spray and it doesn't matter if you miss a few of the bugs because the insecticide gets into the tree and they die from sucking sap.
Spray or wipe with alcohol (Methylated spirit) is also effective because that soaks right through the wool. Still need to repeat treatment to catch any new hatchings.
Adeljid can be difficult to eradicate. Contact insecticide must touch every single bug to kill them. It sometimes does not get through the woolly coat and it won't kill eggs which hatch a few days/weeks later. Need to repeat sprays before the new bugs lay eggs to break the cycle.
Systemic insecticide has been the most effective in dealing with Adeljid here. One spray and it doesn't matter if you miss a few of the bugs because the insecticide gets into the tree and they die from sucking sap.
Spray or wipe with alcohol (Methylated spirit) is also effective because that soaks right through the wool. Still need to repeat treatment to catch any new hatchings.
http://shibuibonsai.com.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;