Callistemon yamadori
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Callistemon yamadori
I have been eying off this bottlebrush in the front yard for a couple years and now I'm eager to dig it out and give it a go. The Plan is to try and split it into several trees using the deadwood of the parent tree for character and to get some air layers off the top. This will be the largest yamadori I've collected hence the reason to split it into several trees.
Was wondering if now would be a good time to dig it out or should I wait till the start of spring?
All branching is coming from ground level around the rotted away stump of the original tree.
Was wondering if now would be a good time to dig it out or should I wait till the start of spring?
All branching is coming from ground level around the rotted away stump of the original tree.
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
i read on the wiki that early spring is the best time but notice in this tread viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8213 that it was done at this time of year (mid summer), does anyone have a recommendation or advice the can offer me?
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
There does seem to be a lot of conflicting advice regarding natives, whether it be re-potting or collecting.
Personally I dont have much experience so take it with a grain of salt.
I collected many young Callistemon and Casuarina seedlings in September with about 80% success rate. These were all growing in and around a creek which surges several times a year so the soil was very wet, each tree was pulled out by hand and long tap roots were trimmed to encourage radial growth.
I then collected a large waterswept Callistemon in mid December from the same creek growing next to a small weir. Its been ravaged by floodwaters over the years. At this stage it hasnt put out any growth but there is still a bit of green on the tree and I did spot a few roots shoting out. Ideally i would have kept it in shade until shoots appeared but it was too large to put anywhere so its been in full sun since collection. This guy was growing in water though so ive got it in a large tub of diatomite, soil, and perlite with drainage holes close to the rim, so hes basically growing in seasol.
Growing conditions and micro-climate will always impact when we do things. I say if the tree is healthy, go for it. Alternatively, give it a bit of a cut back and collect after the shoots harden next spring. If you collect now, standard aftercare should see it thrive. Its a nice stump and will make a great carving project
Personally I dont have much experience so take it with a grain of salt.
I collected many young Callistemon and Casuarina seedlings in September with about 80% success rate. These were all growing in and around a creek which surges several times a year so the soil was very wet, each tree was pulled out by hand and long tap roots were trimmed to encourage radial growth.
I then collected a large waterswept Callistemon in mid December from the same creek growing next to a small weir. Its been ravaged by floodwaters over the years. At this stage it hasnt put out any growth but there is still a bit of green on the tree and I did spot a few roots shoting out. Ideally i would have kept it in shade until shoots appeared but it was too large to put anywhere so its been in full sun since collection. This guy was growing in water though so ive got it in a large tub of diatomite, soil, and perlite with drainage holes close to the rim, so hes basically growing in seasol.
Growing conditions and micro-climate will always impact when we do things. I say if the tree is healthy, go for it. Alternatively, give it a bit of a cut back and collect after the shoots harden next spring. If you collect now, standard aftercare should see it thrive. Its a nice stump and will make a great carving project
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
My understanding is that a "staged dig" can provide the best results for collecting trees.
This would consist of digging around the tree to sever most of the roots first..
Then letting the tree rest and recover for a few months.
Then digging the tree out on a 2nd visit..
It is also my understanding that root and repot work can be done upon bud swell...
Buds apparently swell and new growth happens on this species around every 6 weeks or so...
So the year should present many opportunities...
Lengthy thread but there is a heap of information here: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=2641
This would consist of digging around the tree to sever most of the roots first..
Then letting the tree rest and recover for a few months.
Then digging the tree out on a 2nd visit..
It is also my understanding that root and repot work can be done upon bud swell...
Buds apparently swell and new growth happens on this species around every 6 weeks or so...
So the year should present many opportunities...
Lengthy thread but there is a heap of information here: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=2641
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
Thanks for the replies,
The tree is very healthy so I think I'll just get stuck into it this weekend if its not too hot...
The tree is very healthy so I think I'll just get stuck into it this weekend if its not too hot...
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
Hey trent,
For what its worth I ripped one out of the ground with next to no roots last year in spring and it didnt seem to be an issue. Do you know what variety you have. It doesnt look like the normal viminalis. Might be something like endevour or kings park
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For what its worth I ripped one out of the ground with next to no roots last year in spring and it didnt seem to be an issue. Do you know what variety you have. It doesnt look like the normal viminalis. Might be something like endevour or kings park
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
Hey trent, Nice find
Natives can be collected at any time, just like most trees spring is preferred.
Just take as much roots as you can handle and pot up, ad after care is the key. In Sydney most of the severe weather shodu be over now and we will get higher humidity mopst of the time which will help you.
Keep well watered and seasoled for the next 2 -3 months, or until you see positive continual signs of growth.
the 2 large ones I collected a few years ago did not and they shot allover from latent energy for a few months, then carked it!
Ken
Natives can be collected at any time, just like most trees spring is preferred.
Just take as much roots as you can handle and pot up, ad after care is the key. In Sydney most of the severe weather shodu be over now and we will get higher humidity mopst of the time which will help you.
Keep well watered and seasoled for the next 2 -3 months, or until you see positive continual signs of growth.
the 2 large ones I collected a few years ago did not and they shot allover from latent energy for a few months, then carked it!
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
Thanks Ken for the assurance and tips, can't wait to see what is waiting for me under the soil.
Hi Squizzy, did some searches on google and it does look like a kings park special but hard to know for sure
Hi Squizzy, did some searches on google and it does look like a kings park special but hard to know for sure
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oops, posted twice
Last edited by Trent McKenzie on January 25th, 2013, 2:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
Weather forecast is for a week of 30 degrees so I committed to the dig, gunna get 5 trees from it so they are getting a soak in seasol overnight and will pot up tomorrow, Ill post up the results.
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
Well done on getting stuck into it. Loook forward to seeing this thread updated in the coming months to see they've survived the dig
Regards,
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Got them potted up, man I hope they survive because to me they will be stunning. There was a couple of small ones also not pictured.
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Some very nice bits you have there. Hope they recover well
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
Hi Trent
Can we get an update on these. Im looking to dig one out myself and Im curious to see how you went after 12 months.
Cheers
Can we get an update on these. Im looking to dig one out myself and Im curious to see how you went after 12 months.
Cheers
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Re: Callistemon yamadori
HI all, had a 50% success rate with this effort, as in 1 died, luckily the better of the 2 survived so yay. It looks pretty much the same as I am letting it grow and gain strength, it is growing very strong so will start training next spring. My idea is to cut all the branches down dramatically and let it grow, then repeat the process for about 5 years to get them much shorter, more tapered and better ramification. It will be a while before they resemble any sort of bonsai.
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